This was written Sept 10, 2012 - after googling ...and finding no events to join, to commemorate, question, memorialize or even recognize that such a huge death-filled event occurred just 11 years ago, wasn't it ?
Time tends to make us humans forget-full, conveniently, for those oligarchic empire rulers, who can then reproduce their agendas for hard times for the populations, the destructions, the war and shareholder corporate games and those lies they used so well after the NYC crisis that surprised 'the rest of us' and produced fear and fear-mongering forever thereafter. The lies that the the Prez and his kin and administration repeated to all media who agreed to repeat those confirmed WMD's stories...
And that was just for 'the first time' when "WAR was The Answer" and the ongoing consequences were more war and > 50% of USA budget going to weapons and military expenses [and projections too ]. And then another WAR - one after another and another - followed the Iraq version and was repeated, using the 9-11 NYC destructions as the 'cause'= the premise for USA's then perpetual aggression - globally - thereafter -and for ever after ? . Notice that the lies were revealed to be lies and the next Prez said "let bygones be bygones" and we dont prosecute or question what the previous administrations did - or we may be questioned later too. hmmmmmm.......
9-11 has not been mentioned one time in all the current political campaigning....heard anything at all ? 9-11 is barely ever mentioned in mass media news any more. 9-11 is put away conveniently so everyone can pretend that ....we are now 'safe' ...and need not think, nor remember, nor dis-cover, nor explore, nor expose and not discuss-talk about what we worry about because it has not been fully investigated nor revealed... "No, dont discuss that's old news !" + "not now, not any more, that's the long ago Past...." they often say so easily & repeatedly. What is wrong with this distracting atmosphere we are breathing in daily ?
There is another article re 9-11 - in la.indymedia.org - that provides resources and inundates us with relevant information ... .so much complied info re 9-11...that we all need to know - much more than is in any current news media or campaigns or distractions so easily continually pressed upon us all...
Such dilligent dedicated work to put all this out here...and we hope all this and more resources & information appear on all the other cities/nation's indymedia's and bloggers pick it up as well, and also attributing to the authors in appreciation for the work done. here, or elsewhere.
Funny or rather strange how silent the mass media and common talk nowadays is about not even noticing we had such a blasting event, regardless of who made the mess and killings.
Notice that not one campaigner noticed that 9-11 is to be remembered even, as if They Dont Care ??? huh?
And dont we wonder why the people = who have questioned + researched + explored + dis-covered + Written + exposed + made movies + tabled with fliers & stickers & events + dedicated umpteen hours alll year long since that horrific time..... are ignored now-a-days....hmmmm
and since the Patriot Act is a mean, cruel, OVERREACHING and encoching on our normal citizen civil liberties as citizens of this USA [ long before that administration decided to convert anyone they chose into "terrorists" and declare "a war on terror" as if the phenomenon/ feeling/state of mind could be warred against...] has been Renewed to continue on and on and maybe forever..
giving anyone who Thinks or claims Authority, by govt or other means, to use discriminantely as they so decide for their own reasons.... or giving anyone who can bribe, join the corrupt-cronies-and-colluders Influence...to maybe take revenge or advantage of anyone else ...what is this so claimed "democracy" with "freedoms" we have now ? gone forever ? never to be retrieved it seems.
And the people in the area who were physically and even more emotionally and mentally negatively affected, some with loss of family and friends, others with polluted air and other conditions condemned then as "safe" but was not...those people are still suffering, and not hardly heard from in news or any media we see or read.
Why has the topic been dismissed and ignored and avoided? Why only in 'outlying' media, like Indy and such as Pacifica is there any continued coverage, disclosures, reminders that we allllll have been damaged as a result of the big huge break-down, of buildings, of govt trust, of belief that we can save our way claimed to be 'democractic' or whatever that is limited to mean by now.
Thank you both author above, all 9-11 workers, past and present. Thank you Indymedia for being available for this place [vs. getting lost in the shuffle of billions of other blogs on net proliferating and thus obscuring many] where such info can be seen, forwarded, and saved.
This is far from over.
The cover ups including Obama's saying we do not 'look back' meaning never prosecute or question your anteceders because they will do that to you later too. The topic has never been clarified, admitted officially in any way, and instead has been dismissed as no longer important or relevant....hoping the rest of the global world too will all agree and 'forget' so conveniently for some few.
9-11 will and is a striking time that has left us scared, for what has resulted more AFTER the killings [disabling exits so fires and throwing oneself out high-rises was only option for many ].
So we now have hidden surveillances, legalized and illegal too. Never admitted until something someone gets hurt, then revealed finally, inadvertently at times.
We now have Patriot [so called anyhow] laws that can sweep up protestors or emailers or those who dare question authority in any form/place/manner/time, and we have FEAR monger and FEAR prevailing, including the main news stories doing the mongering 24/7].
What a world to be born into for the young children !
What a disgraced nation in which to be a citizen now.
What a farce when laws are not enforced except when convenient to the few or corporate moneyed.
What a world has resulted from the ideals of the 60's & 70's...gone, lost, desecrated and decayed.
What a shame we are in this mess, still now.
[this also appeared in http://la.indymedia.org/news/2012/09/255525.php]
(c) mj 2012
Showing posts with label 9-11. Show all posts
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Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Friday, January 28, 2011
9-11 demolition facts are questioned on KPFA-KPFK radio
Guns and Butter presented a radio program about 9-11 titled - "The Economics of Politics 9=11
'Demolition Access to the World Trade Center Towers" with Kevin Ryan
A brief description of program has been written up as :
"WTC tenants, both companies and employees; security and design firms and their board members involved in redesigning and implementing the new security system after the 1993 basement bombing; companies and individuals involved in the clean-up of ground zero. Who had the means, access, motivation...
the radio program was played on KPFA and replayed on KPFK
titled - The Economics of Politics 9=11 :'Demolition Access to the World Trade Center Towers' with Kevin Ryan as speaker.
A description of program was written up as:
" WTC tenants, both companies and employees; security and design firms and their board members involved in redesigning and implementing the new security system after the 1993 basement bombing; companies and individuals involved in the clean-up of ground zero. Who had the means, access, motivation...
"Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation. In the intervening period, Ryan has completed additional research while his original questions, which have become increasingly important over time, remain unanswered by UL or NIST.
"Through interviews, presentations, and his work as co-editor at the online Journal of 911 Studies, Mr. Ryan works to bring out the truth behind the events of 9/11/01."
Program comes thru KPFA,
http://www.gunsandbutter.org
Produced by Bonnie Faulkner.
(Bio from http://www.ultruth.com )
Program was played on and available some more from KPFA,
Program download: http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/66755
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On the KPFA website:
a comment on Jan 28 2011 said:
" Listening to replay of program on KPFK in LA in deep dark middle of night, I sat up and listened well ! Of course, I also want everyone else to hear it, know it, and read transcript of talk too. Thanks to Bonnie for playing it and for Roy of Hollywood in LA for sharing it to us local So Cal folk.
Does anyone know of a text transcript available ?
Or do I have to type it up and offer it ?.... in time....
This definitely needs various formats to share it for those who like to read more slowly, or listen, or need to be lured into info by some other 'sly' means ?
billboards, posters, placards, postcards, what else ?
who is doing some of this ?
please someone - inform us all
9-11 is debated by various programmers on KPFK, some who call those who are interested or just share info or play a program are labeled "fringe" elements and are wished away from the station, and others who very occasionally play a program, conference, lecture seem to have-to even 'apologize' to the management ?
or the listeners ?
or to those who may be higher-stat used at KPFK station ? dunno
but it is strange censorship attempt at free-speech non-transparent Pacifica, other claims notwithstanding.
We need more exposure of info, of facts, of questions, of discussions, of alllllll that has been or is still wanted to be SUPPRESSED so only one sided propaganda exists....instead of the multiple varieties of propagandas and Rashomon stories become exposed, wikileaker style.
who is doing this on 9-11 more so now a days ?
give us some more info, here or tell us where else to look...
KPFK does not have a website that allows comments or responses. reverted back to 17th Cent. style and is the less transparent place no matter how much I or others try ...fail...to badger, shame them into revealing more about what happens in, around, within, station. No access allowed !
No comments allowed there either...been trying, failing to get station mgement or staff to change...for years....oh well....
they replayed this program anyhow !
[note to Bonnie of "Guns and Butter": you need to do basic update of your website cuz none of the headings opens into anything other than same request for money, which is listed as '2010' and '2008'...unless you deliberately dont want to hear anything or share any info, such as "about" or "contact" either ?? ]
another person wrote:
"Yes it is a lot of info. These may help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOsZFmqgO5k
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_acc "
You may want to listen with fascination to this pertinent information about doubts many people still have and speak about with a bit of worry about the 'truth' OUR government provides us about 'what did happen' and what makes sense from the published publicized versions provided via main street public media. Many have become more and more concerned about the honesty of 'facts' and slants of information allowed 'out'. Many more are still scientifically and crefully researching to unearth and dis-cover reliable verifiable 'facts' that confirm any 'theories' as without a basis in our physical actual reality, many more people now than ever before have serious concerns and doubts.
The distrust of OUR government, which all is paid and maintained by every single taxpayer in this USA, has expanded, exploded and become a 'problem' for all government staff and officials...more and more "independents", 'tea party' groupers, and others no longer accept what PR speeches and disclaimers and cliche slogans are regularly offered up to dispell our distrust.
The 9-11 related subsequent questions that remained are still unanswered, unexplained, and also more often just ignored, which makes the USA "Amercan People" wonder just who was "home" and "providing public security" both in 2001 and in 2011 also.
"conspiracy" is repetitious word used in an attempt to discount and demean those who ask legitimate questions, thus officials and deniers are suggesting only they have good answers and "theories" - and is why the "Official" Govt PR versions are claimed as the ONLY "truths" that exist.
Many people,today as before, are not so sure.
(C) akpfker 2011 "
'Demolition Access to the World Trade Center Towers" with Kevin Ryan
A brief description of program has been written up as :
"WTC tenants, both companies and employees; security and design firms and their board members involved in redesigning and implementing the new security system after the 1993 basement bombing; companies and individuals involved in the clean-up of ground zero. Who had the means, access, motivation...
the radio program was played on KPFA and replayed on KPFK
titled - The Economics of Politics 9=11 :'Demolition Access to the World Trade Center Towers' with Kevin Ryan as speaker.
A description of program was written up as:
" WTC tenants, both companies and employees; security and design firms and their board members involved in redesigning and implementing the new security system after the 1993 basement bombing; companies and individuals involved in the clean-up of ground zero. Who had the means, access, motivation...
"Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation. In the intervening period, Ryan has completed additional research while his original questions, which have become increasingly important over time, remain unanswered by UL or NIST.
"Through interviews, presentations, and his work as co-editor at the online Journal of 911 Studies, Mr. Ryan works to bring out the truth behind the events of 9/11/01."
Program comes thru KPFA,
http://www.gunsandbutter.org
Produced by Bonnie Faulkner.
(Bio from http://www.ultruth.com )
Program was played on and available some more from KPFA,
Program download: http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/66755
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
On the KPFA website:
a comment on Jan 28 2011 said:
" Listening to replay of program on KPFK in LA in deep dark middle of night, I sat up and listened well ! Of course, I also want everyone else to hear it, know it, and read transcript of talk too. Thanks to Bonnie for playing it and for Roy of Hollywood in LA for sharing it to us local So Cal folk.
Does anyone know of a text transcript available ?
Or do I have to type it up and offer it ?.... in time....
This definitely needs various formats to share it for those who like to read more slowly, or listen, or need to be lured into info by some other 'sly' means ?
billboards, posters, placards, postcards, what else ?
who is doing some of this ?
please someone - inform us all
9-11 is debated by various programmers on KPFK, some who call those who are interested or just share info or play a program are labeled "fringe" elements and are wished away from the station, and others who very occasionally play a program, conference, lecture seem to have-to even 'apologize' to the management ?
or the listeners ?
or to those who may be higher-stat used at KPFK station ? dunno
but it is strange censorship attempt at free-speech non-transparent Pacifica, other claims notwithstanding.
We need more exposure of info, of facts, of questions, of discussions, of alllllll that has been or is still wanted to be SUPPRESSED so only one sided propaganda exists....instead of the multiple varieties of propagandas and Rashomon stories become exposed, wikileaker style.
who is doing this on 9-11 more so now a days ?
give us some more info, here or tell us where else to look...
KPFK does not have a website that allows comments or responses. reverted back to 17th Cent. style and is the less transparent place no matter how much I or others try ...fail...to badger, shame them into revealing more about what happens in, around, within, station. No access allowed !
No comments allowed there either...been trying, failing to get station mgement or staff to change...for years....oh well....
they replayed this program anyhow !
[note to Bonnie of "Guns and Butter": you need to do basic update of your website cuz none of the headings opens into anything other than same request for money, which is listed as '2010' and '2008'...unless you deliberately dont want to hear anything or share any info, such as "about" or "contact" either ?? ]
another person wrote:
"Yes it is a lot of info. These may help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOsZFmqgO5k
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_acc "
You may want to listen with fascination to this pertinent information about doubts many people still have and speak about with a bit of worry about the 'truth' OUR government provides us about 'what did happen' and what makes sense from the published publicized versions provided via main street public media. Many have become more and more concerned about the honesty of 'facts' and slants of information allowed 'out'. Many more are still scientifically and crefully researching to unearth and dis-cover reliable verifiable 'facts' that confirm any 'theories' as without a basis in our physical actual reality, many more people now than ever before have serious concerns and doubts.
The distrust of OUR government, which all is paid and maintained by every single taxpayer in this USA, has expanded, exploded and become a 'problem' for all government staff and officials...more and more "independents", 'tea party' groupers, and others no longer accept what PR speeches and disclaimers and cliche slogans are regularly offered up to dispell our distrust.
The 9-11 related subsequent questions that remained are still unanswered, unexplained, and also more often just ignored, which makes the USA "Amercan People" wonder just who was "home" and "providing public security" both in 2001 and in 2011 also.
"conspiracy" is repetitious word used in an attempt to discount and demean those who ask legitimate questions, thus officials and deniers are suggesting only they have good answers and "theories" - and is why the "Official" Govt PR versions are claimed as the ONLY "truths" that exist.
Many people,today as before, are not so sure.
(C) akpfker 2011 "
Friday, February 26, 2010
Open letter to Roy Tuckman and Alan Minsky
This letter was emailed to various station staff and management. Seldom does any acknowledgement return to indicate letters are read or cared about even. But the effort to communicate is made, because tho most affiliated with KPFK assume it should be only a 1-way OUT communication, some of us believe we as "stakeholders" and payees and volunteers and members of the non-profit station have something more to contribute than mere money. Tho that is all that is asked for...more money...only.
But if there is no 2-way or more communications, then KPFK is as doomed as the USA govt is when the focus is on acting separately from those they represent.
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To Roy and Alan :
Thank YOU for inserting some more programming about 9 11 this morning, on KPFK. Even if some people are afraid of being mis-labeled or accused as being kooks, conspiracy buffs, or extremely odd thinkers for maintaining our interest in this topic, relevant, believe-able & recent info and output is not so easy to find.
You find it and then you openly share it, w/o detailing what we must think about it. Good exposure of vital info.
KPFK has always been valued for presenting information that is not easily found elsewhere ...and even here while censorship, maybe even self-censorship too, manifests itself - even in such places that claim to honor FREE SPEECH, there has clearly been such critical prohibitions at times.
I have noticed how often violations of that desired freedom continues to exist .
For you to again share new found resources,more information, different points of view and play it for our learning more is what makes KPFK valued, whether we agree or like what is presented. We stakeholders and vintage members of the KPFK community value and pay for this kind of 'service'. Thanx
So if there are staff or management or other pressures - alliances, prejudices, strict rules, fears or whatever - that constricts programmers unduly, let those also be openly known to us all, and admitted - so the community of KPFK stakeholders can help decide how much censorship exists on our station. Or why those deletions, the deliberate not-sharing of available information does occur...
Thank you Roy = for providing such fascinating material that most of us 'out here' do not yet have access to...for us all to learn about divergent, dissident, unusual knowledge that is here exposed - to be explored further - and which is and not just swallowed whole as presented here or anywhere. This is how we learn to be critical thinkers and further disseminators of what we learn and value.
9 11 is a heavy topic still used in many arenas by many varied political viewers to explain or validate whatever they want to emphasize. It is continually being referred to directly or indirectly, so relevant and scared is the USA of being a war-zone, like other ones we see and even help create.
Another point: , please be aware that when money is scarce, some of us, split the cost of the premium and while one person gets the credit more of us gain the knowledge of the gift we receive. Sometimes it is even 3 of us who share in the cost to afford what is offered.
You all may or not want to ever suggest on air such a savings plan that still feeds the station but it works well for all sides. Otherwise, any just 1 of us would have to say "I can't afford it" and then not send in anything at times.
The Homeless program was another unique offering you played on air, that is now by some of us being made known to other van-living home-less folks, which missed it even if AFTER the broadcast.
Did anyone else in LA play that program ? Where is your competition ?
And Eben Ray's interviews are often startling, informative, giving us resources we can choose to pursue or not for more variety of thinking and understanding of what may be 'going on'. Or 'going DOWN' too.
thanks for all your work, and also to all of you receiving this letter of appreciation. After 50 years of listening, pledging ,money and sometimes participating directly. these kind of programs keep some of us with YOU-all.
(c) 2010 akpfker
But if there is no 2-way or more communications, then KPFK is as doomed as the USA govt is when the focus is on acting separately from those they represent.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - -
To Roy and Alan :
Thank YOU for inserting some more programming about 9 11 this morning, on KPFK. Even if some people are afraid of being mis-labeled or accused as being kooks, conspiracy buffs, or extremely odd thinkers for maintaining our interest in this topic, relevant, believe-able & recent info and output is not so easy to find.
You find it and then you openly share it, w/o detailing what we must think about it. Good exposure of vital info.
KPFK has always been valued for presenting information that is not easily found elsewhere ...and even here while censorship, maybe even self-censorship too, manifests itself - even in such places that claim to honor FREE SPEECH, there has clearly been such critical prohibitions at times.
I have noticed how often violations of that desired freedom continues to exist .
For you to again share new found resources,more information, different points of view and play it for our learning more is what makes KPFK valued, whether we agree or like what is presented. We stakeholders and vintage members of the KPFK community value and pay for this kind of 'service'. Thanx
So if there are staff or management or other pressures - alliances, prejudices, strict rules, fears or whatever - that constricts programmers unduly, let those also be openly known to us all, and admitted - so the community of KPFK stakeholders can help decide how much censorship exists on our station. Or why those deletions, the deliberate not-sharing of available information does occur...
Thank you Roy = for providing such fascinating material that most of us 'out here' do not yet have access to...for us all to learn about divergent, dissident, unusual knowledge that is here exposed - to be explored further - and which is and not just swallowed whole as presented here or anywhere. This is how we learn to be critical thinkers and further disseminators of what we learn and value.
9 11 is a heavy topic still used in many arenas by many varied political viewers to explain or validate whatever they want to emphasize. It is continually being referred to directly or indirectly, so relevant and scared is the USA of being a war-zone, like other ones we see and even help create.
Another point: , please be aware that when money is scarce, some of us, split the cost of the premium and while one person gets the credit more of us gain the knowledge of the gift we receive. Sometimes it is even 3 of us who share in the cost to afford what is offered.
You all may or not want to ever suggest on air such a savings plan that still feeds the station but it works well for all sides. Otherwise, any just 1 of us would have to say "I can't afford it" and then not send in anything at times.
The Homeless program was another unique offering you played on air, that is now by some of us being made known to other van-living home-less folks, which missed it even if AFTER the broadcast.
Did anyone else in LA play that program ? Where is your competition ?
And Eben Ray's interviews are often startling, informative, giving us resources we can choose to pursue or not for more variety of thinking and understanding of what may be 'going on'. Or 'going DOWN' too.
thanks for all your work, and also to all of you receiving this letter of appreciation. After 50 years of listening, pledging ,money and sometimes participating directly. these kind of programs keep some of us with YOU-all.
(c) 2010 akpfker
Saturday, February 20, 2010
BBC shows some fancy photos of 9-11 from sky view
have you seen these ?
nothing is visible about any foul play or even the planes are
hardly visible, but these are "pretty' smoke filled pictures
displayed only 9 years later, how long is that to be sure they
do not 'incriminate' or 'investigate' or :indicate" anything "new"
...but these can be added to our repertory and collection of fancy
fotos of a devastating local USA event.
Worse can be found in many other nation states with smaller
buildings and less dramatic ways of blowing up people and buildings,
to start a new war for oil almost 'legally'. Not quite so.
Enjoy the views, FYI anyhow. See below.
(c) 2010 akpfker
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8508817.st
nothing is visible about any foul play or even the planes are
hardly visible, but these are "pretty' smoke filled pictures
displayed only 9 years later, how long is that to be sure they
do not 'incriminate' or 'investigate' or :indicate" anything "new"
...but these can be added to our repertory and collection of fancy
fotos of a devastating local USA event.
Worse can be found in many other nation states with smaller
buildings and less dramatic ways of blowing up people and buildings,
to start a new war for oil almost 'legally'. Not quite so.
Enjoy the views, FYI anyhow. See below.
(c) 2010 akpfker
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8508817.st
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